[DeTruth]

I stumbled across the B/dos Police Force website -- http://www.barbadosp...ov.bb/index.cfm

I read the Crime Statistics then to realize that the results are outdated. Does anyone know how often the site is updated?

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I stumbled across the B/dos Police Force website -- http://www.barbadosp...ov.bb/index.cfm

I read the Crime Statistics then to realize that the results are outdated. Does anyone know how often the site is updated?

Knowing Government's record in the maintenance of anything,I am not surprised.

[Bendedknees]

Knowing Government's record in the maintenance of anything,I am not surprised.

Its not only government, if one checks the vob website you still see Pearson Bowen listed on theirs, he is now at CBC. The truth is, Admin is isl aways saying it, comanies in Barbados dont take their web presence seriously.

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The RBPF has just received 50 new vehicles.
The RBPF Fleet Manager, Mr Hartley Reid has been quoted, thus:-
Persons would no longer see worn out police vehicles on the road as the Government has decided that they would changed every three years,as constantly upgrading the vehicles would help the police meets the needs of the public more efficiently.
Well I must say that this is one of the best Preventive Maintenance Programmes that I've ever come across.In fact if you are getting rid of the damn thing after only 3 years service why do any routine maintenance or repairs on it. (Isn't that what now exists?)
Fleet Engineers like DaCosta Payne, Dan Keefer and W.E.Byer must be turning in thier graves.
And to think that in the private sector, they operate some vehicles well over 20 years old, which are still within thier renewal criteria of (a) Mileage , pre determined, (b.) Age ,(c.) Maintenance Costs.
When will we the taxpayer stand up and demand that our hard taken money is more sensibly spent.

[goldenboy]

The RBPF has just received 50 new vehicles.
The RBPF Fleet Manager, Mr Hartley Reid has been quoted, thus:-
Persons would no longer see worn out police vehicles on the road as the Government has decided that they would changed every three years,as constantly upgrading the vehicles would help the police meets the needs of the public more efficiently.
Well I must say that this is one of the best Preventive Maintenance Programmes that I've ever come across.In fact if you are getting rid of the damn thing after only 3 years service why do any routine maintenance or repairs on it. (Isn't that what now exists?)
Fleet Engineers like DaCosta Payne, Dan Keefer and W.E.Byer must be turning in thier graves.
And to think that in the private sector, they operate some vehicles well over 20 years old, which are still within thier renewal criteria of (a) Mileage , pre determined, (b.) Age ,(c.) Maintenance Costs.
When will we the taxpayer stand up and demand that our hard taken money is more sensibly spent.

Cant say I agree with all of this, but the Police buying vehicles outright is an interesting concept to me.



There is much to be said for public perception of a force and driving an old vehicle can be a negative



Forces here negotiate with Manufacturers direct and get extended warranty that can be dealt with via an existing dealer network for servicing etc, hence they have very small and very specialist vehicle maintenance units

[Kem]

The RBPF has just received 50 new vehicles.
The RBPF Fleet Manager, Mr Hartley Reid has been quoted, thus:-
Persons would no longer see worn out police vehicles on the road as the Government has decided that they would changed every three years,as constantly upgrading the vehicles would help the police meets the needs of the public more efficiently.
Well I must say that this is one of the best Preventive Maintenance Programmes that I've ever come across.In fact if you are getting rid of the damn thing after only 3 years service why do any routine maintenance or repairs on it. (Isn't that what now exists?)
Fleet Engineers like DaCosta Payne, Dan Keefer and W.E.Byer must be turning in thier graves.
And to think that in the private sector, they operate some vehicles well over 20 years old, which are still within thier renewal criteria of (a) Mileage , pre determined, (b.) Age ,(c.) Maintenance Costs.
When will we the taxpayer stand up and demand that our hard taken money is more sensibly spent.

Changing vehicles every three years that is absurd? To my knowledge only CEOs of large companies are given the chance to purchase a new car every three years and I sure some do not use the privilege. Who is going to pay for these vehicles especialy when the debt ratio is so high.

[goldenboy]

Changing vehicles every three years that is absurd? To my knowledge only CEOs of large companies are given the chance to purchase a new car every three years and I sure some do not use the privilege. Who is going to pay for these vehicles especialy when the debt ratio is so high.

Id better pull my horns in then, I swap my cars ever 12 to 18 months

[Kem]

Id better pull my horns in then, I swap my cars ever 12 to 18 months

Lol....Obviously business is good, but as for the Barbadian economy I don't think they can afford. Lets leave the extravagance to GB.

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Changing vehicles every three years that is absurd? To my knowledge only CEOs of large companies are given the chance to purchase a new car every three years and I sure some do not use the privilege. Who is going to pay for these vehicles especialy when the debt ratio is so high.

Bartel WAS noted for that, Kem, only thing is that the executives were given first choice to purchasethe "old"car. A few months before the 3 years was up, some execs sent the car back to the agency of a complete overhaul,before purchasing it for the wife or a family member,at a give away price.

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Cant say I agree with all of this, but the Police buying vehicles outright is an interesting concept to me.



There is much to be said for public perception of a force and driving an old vehicle can be a negative



Forces here negotiate with Manufacturers direct and get extended warranty that can be dealt with via an existing dealer network for servicing etc, hence they have very small and very specialist vehicle maintenance units

But how can you destroy a Land Rover in 3 years? Even if we give the police Chieftain Battle tanks, or D8 Caterpillars ,some how they will manage to wreck them in 3 years or less. And I do not but this excuse of operational casualities.No police vehicles have ever worked as hard as those old Land Rovers and Pigs in Belfast. What they had ,however was a first class back up maintenance.

If we are going to change police vehicles every 3 years, perhaps we should look at Suzukis, Skodas and the Russian Moscovitch.

[goldenboy]

But how can you destroy a Land Rover in 3 years? Even if we give the police Chieftain Battle tanks, or D8 Caterpillars ,some how they will manage to wreck them in 3 years or less. And I do not but this excuse of operational casualities.No police vehicles have ever worked as hard as those old Land Rovers and Pigs in Belfast. What they had ,however was a first class back up maintenance.

If we are going to change police vehicles every 3 years, perhaps we should look at Suzukis, Skodas and the Russian Moscovitch.

Lada Nivas are the answer or those Indian Built Jeeps



Well, I think the Bajan vehicles sit idle to often, Police vehicles should be used a minimum of 16 Hours a day (2 shifts) They should be booked out properly and in, we used to have to walk round the vehicles and check them against the condition report and any damage was noted on that report, new damage needed a quick form to be filled out. When you use a vehicle 16 - 22 hours a day, that gives 10 years use in 3 years.



If they are gonna have these sitting around like they do now there is no reason to change them I agree.



Also modern vehicles are easier to be main dealer serviced, they have the right diagnostics kit.



I say lease them anyway



Oh how I loved those armoured Landys, nothing like watch a petrol bomb arc through the evening drizzle and smash gently on your hood LOL Given the choice though an armoured Land Cruiser is my vehicle of choice

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Lada Nivas are the answer or those Indian Built Jeeps



Well, I think the Bajan vehicles sit idle to often, Police vehicles should be used a minimum of 16 Hours a day (2 shifts) They should be booked out properly and in, we used to have to walk round the vehicles and check them against the condition report and any damage was noted on that report, new damage needed a quick form to be filled out. When you use a vehicle 16 - 22 hours a day, that gives 10 years use in 3 years.

We have not yet realise the importance of the vehicle, because without it we cannot even begin to do our jobs.But why worry?. Nah Wheels ,Nah Wuk. I am very sorry sir, but at the moment we have no transport to respond to your complaint. Or smash this one and immediately pick up another
What you have suggested is normal operating transport procedure in any discipline organisation, Military or Civil, but back here , we will be told that this is the mechanic's job. And I always say, No problem, when your brakes fail going down Springvale Hill, give the mechanic back here a call.

If they are gonna have these sitting around like they do now there is no reason to change them I agree.

I was visiting and agency workshop, some years ago and was surprised to see 10 top of the line Pajeros all with wrecked engines.
Adequate driver training goes a long way in eliminating some of these problems.At present any officer with a Driver license can jump behind the wheel of a squad car.


Also modern vehicles are easier to be main dealer serviced, they have the right diagnostics kit.

Easier said than done.A local agent had one of my units for 40 days, did not have the know how or the equipment. Had to retrieve it and did our own thing, using the equipment and training we had, that really the Agency should have had as well.
Maintenance of fleets here call for somethings that that manufacturer nor the agency cannot provide, Guts, Will and the Backbone to oversee the programme on time ... everytime.



I say lease them anyway



Oh how I loved those armoured Landys, nothing like watch a petrol bomb arc through the evening drizzle and smash gently on your hood LOL Given the choice though an armoured Land Cruiser is my vehicle of choice

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You must admire our police at times. Tonight a pickup, with hazard warning lights flashing , horn blazing, was having a difficult time wending its way through reluctant heavy traffic in the Oistin area. Obviously there was some sick person aboard.The pickup met a police patrol van,and after a very brief conversation the patrol van done a quick u-turn and with lights and siren blazing, proceeded to escort the "make shift" ambulance to its destination.

[Atlas]

I hope a more thorough (and independent) inquiry is conducted here. His brother asked some good questions. I have observed that members of the RBPF know many of the offenders of the various kinds of crimes that are committed in the districts where they are attached. I want to know as well, why was this fellow stopped and where exactly? Maybe he was a menace, maybe he did act in a threatening manner. I still would like to know: how many times was he shot? Were the officers in their vehicle? What did the weapon drawn by this man look like? If at close range a police officer can't identify an obvious toy then Cave Shepherd and Laurie Dash better start removing the nerf guns. The RBPF has a habit of covering for their own, so immediately I am suspicious.

I am not saying that the officer should be crucified but there needs to be full disclosure and relevant accountability, which is not often the case. If he was justified in what he did, then a slap on the wrist is fine but I want to know exactly what happened. I am eager to see what comes of this.

Dead man's family at a loss
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THE FAMILY of Kevin "Doolah" Ellis, of Weekes Land, Goodland, St Michael, who was killed yesterday by police, wants some questions answered.

About 5 a.m. yesterday the 34-year-old was fatally shot by police while on Hastings Road, Christ Church.

Yesterday police public relations officer, Inspector Barry Hunte, said a team of officers was on mobile patrol in a marked police vehicle when a man "acting in a suspicious manner" was encountered.

"When approached by the police, the man [Ellis]became confrontational and drew a weapon. One of the officers, fearing for his life and the lives of his colleagues, drew his firearm and shot the man. The police immediately sought medical attention for the man, who subsequently passed away," Hunte said.

Ellis reportedly had a knife and two mock guns at the time of the incident.

Yesterday a grieving brother, Pedro Ellis, 28, speaking for the family, said his brother had been a patient of the Psychiatric Hospital and had a history of schizophrenia. He also revealed Ellis had previously been incarcerated in 1995 for assaulting a woman while on the beach.

"He used to leave home early on mornings to collect bottles and hustle on the beach for a living," Ellis said.

He said police had not given him specific details as to what really happened and he wanted to know exactly how his brother acted when he was confronted by police; the number of times he was shot; and where exactly at Hastings he had been shot.

Ellis said he was aware his brother used to carry around two water pistols and a knife, but added he had found "Doolah's" knife at home.

"They [police] came by me after 12 [noon] and said 'Doolah' had been in an accident and was at the hospital and I went with them. They tell me they stopped him to question him and he pulled a mock gun on them. But I want some answers: They stop him to question him about what?" he asked.

Ellis said he last saw his brother alive about 3:30 p.m. at home on Tuesday. He added he usually slept home and Tuesday night was the first occasion his brother had slept away from the home the two shared with their eldest brother, Adrian.

Their mother Jocelyn Ellis, lives in the United States.

Kevin Ellis had no children. (WG)

Source

[Ricardo]

I hope a more thorough (and independent) inquiry is conducted here. His brother asked some good questions. I have observed that members of the RBPF know many of the offenders of the various kinds of crimes that are committed in the districts where they are attached. I want to know as well, why was this fellow stopped and where exactly? Maybe he was a menace, maybe he did act in a threatening manner. I still would like to know: how many times was he shot? Were the officers in their vehicle? What did the weapon drawn by this man look like? If at close range a police officer can't identify an obvious toy then Cave Shepherd and Laurie Dash better start removing the nerf guns. The RBPF has a habit of covering for their own, so immediately I am suspicious.

I am not saying that the officer should be crucified but there needs to be full disclosure and relevant accountability, which is not often the case. If he was justified in what he did, then a slap on the wrist is fine but I want to know exactly what happened. I am eager to see what comes of this.
Source

Atlas, don't you know by now that mad people are easy targets for police men.

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Atlas, don't you know by now that mad people are easy targets for police men.

Not a fair statement at all.Our policemen on a daily basis have to deal with what, we term mad people, without incident. Perhaps we should also look at equipping our police with Taser and Stun Guns.

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Not a fair statement at all.Our policemen on a daily basis have to deal with what, we term mad people, without incident. Perhaps we should also look at equipping our police with Taser and Stun Guns.

Here we have a man, who has served time for assauliting a woman on the beach,and who is in the habit of walking around with mock guns,and who by his brothers admission hussles on the beach. And we seem to be asking what right the police have to stop and question such a man at 5'O Clock in the morning,who they thought was acting suspiciously.

In Barbados it is, and was always the custom to conduct a Coroners inquest after every accidental death.This is where questions such as exact place of accident, circumstances surrounding the accident, number of shot fired, number of shots found in body, etc etc.are made known at the public inquiry. Are we expecting the Police to Conduct an Inquest in the street.? Are we asking the brother to interrogate the police. My sympathy goes out to the family of the deceased man, but in due course justice will prevail.

[Bendedknees]

Here we have a man, who has served time for assauliting a woman on the beach,and who is in the habit of walking around with mock guns,and who by his brothers admission hussles on the beach. And we seem to be asking what right the police have to stop and question such a man at 5'O Clock in the morning,who they thought was acting suspiciously.

In Barbados it is, and was always the custom to conduct a Coroners inquest after every accidental death.This is where questions such as exact place of accident, circumstances surrounding the accident, number of shot fired, number of shots found in body, etc etc.are made known at the public inquiry. Are we expecting the Police to Conduct an Inquest in the street.? Are we asking the brother to interrogate the police. My sympathy goes out to the family of the deceased man, but in due course justice will prevail.

I have no problems with asking questions about any profession whether it be the police or politicians but the process should be allowed to work and more importantly the authorities should establish independant bodies to investigate and respond to the public's concerns which should ultimately protect the said institutions being investigated. To engage in finger pointing in the way a large element of the Barbados population seem to be comfortable doing is narrow and could ultimatley lead to chaos. Unfortuantely our Police Force operate with primitive resources when compared to other countries and we have done a reasonable job to date. Let us not in our wholesale effort for transparency throw out the baby with the bath water.

Call on the authorities to properly equip the force and establish adequate oversight agencies and stop feeding into the negative element which appear to be rampant in our country.

[Ricardo]

I have no problems with asking questions about any profession whether it be the police or politicians but the process should be allowed to work and more importantly the authorities should establish independant bodies to investigate and respond to the public's concerns which should ultimately protect the said institutions being investigated. To engage in finger pointing in the way a large element of the Barbados population seem to be comfortable doing is narrow and could ultimatley lead to chaos. Unfortuantely our Police Force operate with primitive resources when compared to other countries and we have done a reasonable job to date. Let us not in our wholesale effort for transparency throw out the baby with the bath water.

Call on the authorities to properly equip the force and establish adequate oversight agencies and stop feeding into the negative element which appear to be rampant in our country.

I agree BK.

Does having a guy make one bolder? More likely to shoot the first thing that moves?

This post has been edited by Ricardo: 13 October 2006 - 04:24 AM

[goldenboy]

I have no problems with asking questions about any profession whether it be the police or politicians but the process should be allowed to work and more importantly the authorities should establish independent bodies to investigate and respond to the public's concerns which should ultimately protect the said institutions being investigated. To engage in finger pointing in the way a large element of the Barbados population seem to be comfortable doing is narrow and could ultimately lead to chaos. Unfortunately our Police Force operate with primitive resources when compared to other countries and we have done a reasonable job to date. Let us not in our wholesale effort for transparency throw out the baby with the bath water.

Call on the authorities to properly equip the force and establish adequate oversight agencies and stop feeding into the negative element which appear to be rampant in our country.

Firstly my thoughts go to the family of the bereaved, I hope they find solace and peace as best they can. Secondly my thoughts go to the officers involved, taking a life is never an easy option, those that do not face the "critical decision" often do not understand the turmoil and SELF questioning that goes on after the event so before we all draw up sides, lets just reflect on that for a moment and have some sympathy to all involved!



As a society, when you routinely arm officers you must accept that those arms are not simply a deterrent they WILL be used and as is human (an I draw no conclusion on this case) mistakes will be made.



I will say this, in the dark and at the heat of the moment a water pistol even a piece of wood can appear to be a bona fidae firearm. A basic rule of thumb, if they are brandishing or holding you tell them you are armed police and drop the weapon twice before opening fire, however, if they draw on you or point the weapon at you or any other person you fire, no warning required.



However, given the habitual nature of this person I may have expected him to be familiar to these officers, which is my concern. Is intelligence not being shared and are officers not engaging with their communities both good and bad. This is not an issue for the beat officer but one for the el gordo management