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Posted 03 June 2004 - 03:21 PM

Wouldn't this be considered "biting the hand that feeds you" DJ's do play their part in promoting music, however as they are people and subject to their opinion whatever it may be aren't they entitled to that. If there is ever any commentary on the part of management of a station, very often management has a representative on air to give that statement. SOme DJ's usually go out on the limb and preface their comments as being "of a personal opinion". Granted it is a very thin line and they do have to know where it is drawn, but to be asked not to play the music of an artist because of a comment pro or con, does this constitute a ban on the station playing the music, and if so what would be the result if other DJ's refuse to play the music in solidarity with this DJ?

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Posted 03 June 2004 - 07:13 PM

Have you ever? This is a new one; normally music artists are at the mercy of DJs to play their music on radio. I don't know who Krosfyah is, or think they are, but who do they think they are hurting, the DJs, the public? This is definitely singing to the tune of "biting the hand that feeds you." It seems like the musicians/artists are all losing it; with not releasing new music because of piracy, now this. Well at least the paying public can keep their money in their pockets. rolleyes.gif
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Posted 03 June 2004 - 07:19 PM

It was released on the news tonight that the CEO of CBC indicated that they would not be complying with Krosfyahs request. As far as they are concerned the CBC has an agreement in position between the copyrights association in Barbados to play music from its repertoire.
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Posted 03 June 2004 - 10:33 PM

CBC should oblige Krosfyah. Stop Admiral from handling thier records.,along with ever other CBC employee. Why don't these people sit back and look at the effect that thier music ban will have on the general Barbadian public. Absolutely none at all. If its not there, its not there, and very few will loose any sleep over it.
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Posted 04 June 2004 - 09:31 AM

The element which surprises me is that, back in the late fifties early sixties and even the seventies there was the "Payola" scandals in the record industry and the radio DJ's and was concentrated mainly in the USA. DJ's were given all sorts of cash to play record of artists who wanted the "air-play". I have seen gifts given to DJ's from artists who wanted their music played, or for having their music played on air. What better exposure than the radio.

I know that as long as music is released and the radio station is licensed to play the music, there is no artist who can tell a DJ what to, or not to play. Smart artists and promoters usually provide a sampling for "air-play" and also promotional copies for clubs and music stores.

Krosfyah really needs "cooling" this time.
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Posted 04 June 2004 - 04:24 PM

This isn't just "biting the hand that feeds you" this is "cutting off your nose to spite your face." If krosfyah wants to protest, then do so, but making a personal enemy of a popular DJ could come back to bite them in the future. Not smart at all. But dahs a matter fuh dem.
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Posted 07 June 2004 - 02:50 PM

QUOTE (Sugar_Plum @ Jun 4 2004, 08:14 PM)
This isn't just "biting the hand that feeds you" this is "cutting off your nose to spite your face."  If krosfyah wants to protest, then do so, but making a personal enemy of a popular DJ could come back to bite them in the future.  Not smart at all. But dahs a matter fuh dem.

Hi Sugar
Hope you are well. smile.gif ---- how would it come back to bite them? All Admiral does is spin a record, he does not produce anything. I think DJ's are expendable and many young artiste throught out the world are proving just that. A Dj is no longer critical to the promulgation of the music artiste work.

While i agree with his right to free speech---- I also agree with the interpretation of the copywrite act that give Krosfyah the right to allow and dis-allow. If the Admiral and his symphatiser can be be critical of Krosfyah for exercising their rights for what-ever reason---- so can krosfyah be critical of him for whatever reason. If there is a price to be paid for either party for their actions so be it--- if you are truly convince of your actions do not expect free will to say so without repercussions, especially if it is within someone else right to do so.

Hardly any freedom is won without some level of suffering.

It is fair to say that i favour one of the two---- exercises in individual rights. biggrin.gif

"I have been around before Krosfyah and i will here long after them" de Admiral

of course you can make that statement--- all that is required of you is to play-back whatever comes out de studio ---- quite easy i think, what a selfserving attitude for doing so little as placing a piece of vynal/plactic/glass on/in a player ---- aren't they machines that you put a quarter into, that does the same. schuppppeesss

I hope that CBC aint just paying him to spin records----- when so many others in addition to spinning records, read the news, host talkshows, directs a broadcast and carry out a host of other meaningful task. biggrin.gif

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Post icon  Posted 07 June 2004 - 10:30 PM

Adrian, as yuh might expect, ah keepin sweet. biggrin.gif

It could come back to bite them since, though expendable, Admiral seems to have a large and faithful following. These people are usually the ones buying the CD's and going to the concerts that keep Krosfyah and others in business. It also wouldn't help if Admiral decides to hold a grudge and blacklist the group, or if other DJ's decide to do the same in solidarity. All I'm saying is that it could possibly cut into their profits now and in the future.

Personally, I think Admiral's head is quite big (figuratively and literally) and that it's great that Krosfyah and the other calypsonians were willing to stand up for what they believed in. As you rightly pointed out, that often comes at a cost. If Krosfyah has counted the cost and still finds it worthwhile, then I say go for it.
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Posted 07 August 2004 - 09:58 AM

The rado personality who Barbados loves to hate made some more controversial remarks concerning the role the Church should be playing in Crop Over.

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Admiral wants crackdown on lewd calypsos - Saturday 07, August-2004

by Janelle Walters

The church is failing miserably in protecting the moral fibre of the island.

And it’s high time the church puts those threatening society’s standards in their place.

So said outspoken DJ, Admiral Nelson, yesterday in St Michael’s Cathedral, where he spoke on the topic Calypso And The Church at the church’s weekly lecture.

Nelson told the audience if one could get the Li’l Ricks and Timmys into a church, maybe they would realise how their actions were “eroding” the moral fibre of the society.

“You can’t laugh at these fellas anymore,” he said. “You have to put them in their place.”

Admiral also spoke of the popular but controversial song I Feel So Good, performed by Bashment Menz.

“When an MC gets on stage and can encourage people to sing: ‘I feel so good, I feel so good, I feel so whatever good . . . ” it’s a massive act of irresponsibility,” he said.

Speaking to the fact that many young people enjoyed such lyrics, Admiral charged that the church could not allow “those who lack parental guidance” to dictate what the country should stand for.

He said the church did not have a problem with calypso, but with the lyrical content of the songs.

At the same time, however, he also charged that the church was allowing too much to happen within society without speaking out.

In relation to the lyrical content of some songs, he said: “I want the church to be more vigilant when looking at lyrical content.”

He quipped that the church could handle any criticism as he did, in that he had grown accustomed to people taking issue with him when he spoke out, but he continued to do so anyway.

He said the church had to let people know “in no uncertain terms” what was unacceptable in a Christian society.

“We have failed miserably in Barbados as a Christian society.”

He challenged the church to “march around the island” if that is what it took to make itself heard in speaking out about certain social ills.

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 12:15 PM

While I applaud what this Admiral Nelson is doing, my question to him is how did he arrive at the conclusion that Barbados is a "Christian" society? Where is the empirical evidence?

Nelson told the audience if one could get the Li’l Ricks and Timmys into a church, maybe they would realise how their actions were “eroding” the moral fibre of the society.

Haahaha!! Too funny! So once we get them into a church, what will happen? Will they automatically change? Shoot, I wouldn't put it past those fools to start their lewdness in there too.
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Posted 07 August 2004 - 12:47 PM

QUOTE (Bendedknees @ Aug 7 2004, 09:48 AM)
...He said the church did not have a problem with calypso, but with the lyrical content of the songs.

I find it interesting that Admiral is making such a profound statement. There are certain religions that want nothing to do with calypso music – the beat alone turns them off without listening to the lyrics. He might have a valid reason for concern about the lyrics to some songs, although in my opinion songs are open to interpretation.

To that end, I would love to know what makes Admiral and many others think that B/dos is all this "Christian" society. I would love someone to provide me with a list of factors to substantiate the claim.
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Posted 08 August 2004 - 06:07 AM

Admiral continues to voice is opinion, which is is right of course: -

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Admiral: No Right In Contest - Sunday 08, August-2004
SHOULD The Experience tent, whose main mission is to spread the Gospel of Christ, have entered this year’s Pic-O-De-Crop calypso competition?
Some feel strongly that they should not and that they should stay in the church and leave Crop-Over to its own devices.

Conversely, others feel they have a role to play not only in future calypso competitions, but also other aspects of local arts and culture.

Today, three leading calypsonians, the Anglican Dean, Reverend William Dixon, and radio personality, DJ Anthony Admiral Nelson have their say on the issue.

Stories by Janelle Walters and Julia Rawlins.

THE EXPERIENCE TENT has no place on the competitive stage, says radio announcer and DJ Anthony Admiral Nelson.

Speaking on the topic of Calypso and the Church at the weekly lecture at St Michael Cathedral on Friday, Admiral charged: “The Experience calypso tent has no right in the calypso arena at a competitive level.”

While admitting he had no problem with the existence or presence of the tent during the festival season, when looking at the participation at the competitive level, he asked: “Are you interested in winning souls or winning the money?”

The Admiral drew parallels between entering the competition and vying for the chance to win in the calypso competition and gambling. He painted an interesting picture by asking the audience, which included calypsonian Smokey Burke, to imagine “the Dean” winning the car and money at the Pic-O-De-Crop calypso finals. He suggested that this would be the same dean that would take issue with the act of gambling.

The DJ suggested that the move by the tent could see other churches trying to do the same and entering competition, saying “let’s get that prize”.

Given this, Admiral questioned whether the right message was being sent.

“Your role has to be different and has to be seen as different,” he said.

The DJ stressed the Christian church was failing miserably in helping society to maintain certain standards because, in some instances, it was pandering to the views of some and being tolerant of far too many things.

In relation to the use of the art form in spreading the message, however, Admiral said the church had never really had a problem with the use of calypso but more so with the lyrical content.

Noting the song Botsy Theology performed by another popular radio announcer, Ronnie Clarke, Admiral said that while there were aspects of truth within the song, there were other elements that fell short

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Posted 08 August 2004 - 06:15 AM

QUOTE (Snoop @ Aug 7 2004, 12:05 PM)
Nelson told the audience if one could get the Li’l Ricks and Timmys into a church, maybe they would realise how their actions were “eroding” the moral fibre of the society.



Snoop my interpretation of this statement by Admiral is that he was using an extreme example to illustrate his point. That is, if there was some way they could become believers they would acquire a different perspective on how their actions are impacting the society.

Somehow I think that he knows that this will not become a reality anytime soon.
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Posted 08 August 2004 - 09:34 AM

BK, I was being strictly facetious with my comments. I would hope Admiral Nelson meant a conversion rather than their simply "coming into the church".
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Posted 10 August 2004 - 06:30 PM

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Admiral: No Right In Contest - Sunday 08, August-2004
SHOULD The Experience tent, whose main mission is to spread the Gospel of

In relation to the use of the art form in spreading the message, however, Admiral said the church had never really had a problem with the use of calypso but more so with the lyrical content.

Noting the song Botsy Theology performed by another popular radio announcer, Ronnie Clarke, Admiral said that while there were aspects of truth within the song, there were other elements that fell short


Botsy Theology? I'm having some trouble imagining what this song could be about. Can anyone help me out? I take it it's being sung by a Christian?
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Posted 10 August 2004 - 10:11 PM

Sugar_Plum, the very word alone, Botsy, should give you an idea what this song is all about. It is sung by Ronnie Clark, a Christian who works on one of the Gospel Stations,and in essence he is denouncing Homosexuality.
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Posted 18 August 2004 - 03:56 PM

QUOTE (Sugar_Plum @ Aug 10 2004, 06:20 PM)
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Admiral: No Right In Contest - Sunday 08, August-2004
SHOULD The Experience tent, whose main mission is to spread the Gospel of

In relation to the use of the art form in spreading the message, however, Admiral said the church had never really had a problem with the use of calypso but more so with the lyrical content.

Noting the song Botsy Theology performed by another popular radio announcer, Ronnie Clarke, Admiral said that while there were aspects of truth within the song, there were other elements that fell short


Botsy Theology? I'm having some trouble imagining what this song could be about. Can anyone help me out? I take it it's being sung by a Christian?




Sugar you request is our command biggrin.gif

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BOTSY THEOLOGY (FULL SERMON)- DE ANNOUNCER L VRICS BY RONNIE CLARKE: MUSIC BY ADRIAN DDLE
BACKGROUND VOCALS: ANDREA & ALISON (PROMISE)

VERSE ONE:

COOL...JUST COOL.
ON HOMOSEXUALITY AND PROSTITUTION, THE PM SAY COOL...
HEATED DEBATE IN DE NATION
ABOUT DECRIMINAUSATION
ON COMMENTS FROM DE AG
ABOUT THE CANCER OF DISCRIMINATION
WELL THE OBVIOUS INTERPRETATION
OF WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE SUNDAY SUN
WAS GOVERNMENT MIGHT CHANGE THE LAW ON THE PRACTICE OF SODOM
AND ENCOURAGE WOMEN TO SUBMIT TO PIMPS, BUT GIVEN DE PUBLIC REACTION
THEY HAD TO ISSUE A STATEMENT OF CLARIFICATION... THEY SAY...


THERE WAS NO CABINET pOSITION,
PENDING LEGISLATION
IT WAS MERELY OPINION
AN INDIVIDUAL VIEW
BUT DE CRITICS ESPECIALLY
IN DE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY
SAW DE GAY AGENDA CLEARLY
AND DISMISS THE REASON AS BOO
IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE¬
REVEREND JOSEPH ATHERLEY, M.P
MIA MOTTLEY DEPUTY, SAYING IF SUCH LAWS CAME TO PASS HE WOULD HAVE NO OPTION AS A GODLY MAN
BUT TO OPPOSE AND TAKE A STAND AGAINST HIS OWN PARTY FOR FORCING SAME SEX ON SOCIETY...LEGALLY

CHORUS:

BECAUSE DEY DEALING WID DE BOTSY THEOLOGY PROMOTING SIN AND ACCEPTING IMMORALITY CONDONING HERESY, PERVERSION AND LEWDITY NASTINESS AND GROSS INDECENCY
SO WE MUST TEACH OUR CHILDREN THE RIGHT WAY AND TELL THEM YOU CANNOT BE BORN GAY
AND ALMIGHTY GOD, THE GIVER OF LIfE
CREATED MAN AND WOMAN TO BE HUSBAND AND WIFE. HE NEVER CONDONE SUCH SLACKNESS
SO IT'S INCUMBENT UPON ME TO IMPRESS
WITHOUT FEAR OR FAVOUR
REJECT HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOUR!

VERSE TWO

SPORT...THIS IS NO SPORT
BUT COULD YOU IMAGINE TWO FIRST LADIES IN ILARO COURT?
OR IN DE CHURCH, BEHIND DE PASTOR,
HIS OTHER HALF, A MAN, A DISASTER
SAYING PRAISE THE LORD,
LIKE GENE ROBINSON, A SATANIC FRAUD.
JUST LOOK AT EUROPE AND THE USA
THE MILITANCY OF SOME WHO ARE GAY
THEIR LUST AND THEIR SHAME, THEY CLAIM IT'S ALL ABOUT PRIDE
REJECTING WHO GOD MADE THEM TO BE, IN FAVOR OF DEMONIC IDENTITY
BUT IN THE LAKE OF HELLFIRE, THEY"LL BE WARMLY WELCOMED INSIDE

LOOK AT DE AIDS SITUATION
TERRORISING OUR NATION...
I UNDERSTAND
MY PARENTS DIED FROM THE DISEASE
BUT CERTAIN ORGANIZATION AFFILIATION
USE HIV...AS AN EXCUSE
TO GIVE THE GAY LIFESTYLE AN EASE
PEOPLE OF SO CALLED INFLUENCE
WHO I BELIEVE HAVE INTELLIGENCE
ONE MEDICAL PROFESSOR AND RADIO MODERATOR
SAY OPENLY, THEY ARE INCLINED
BUT OBVIOUSLY, NOT OF SOUND MIND
TO ALLOW JIMMY AND JOHNNY TO MARRY AND NOT LEAVE EACH OTHER
BEHIND...DEM BLIND!

CHORUS

I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND
WHERE I AM COMING FROM
I BELIEVE IN COMPASSION
BUT NOT COMPROMISE
IT'S NOT A FIGHT FOR A HUMAN RIGHT
BUT BETWEEN DARKNESS AND LIGHT
THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL GIVE YOU INSIGHT
SO HEAR HIM AND BE WISE...

VERSE THREE

BRAVE...SOME SAY I'M BRAVE...
BECAUSE IN TERMS OF POPULARITY, I COULD BE DIGGING MY OWN GRAVE
IT IS POLITICALLY AND SOCIALLY INCORRECT
FOR ME TO MORALLY AND BIBLICALLY OBJECT
IT IS THE WAY OF THE WORLD, I SHOULD BEND
TO FACILITATE QUEER LOGIC AND TREND
SOME SAY I'M A FUNDAMENTALIST...
IDIOT...BIGOT...PREJUDICED
OUT OF TOUCH WITH STYLE, WITH MODERN VALUES AND WITH REALITY
BUT IF THEY WOULD REPENT AND SEEK SALVATION
READ THE BOOK OF ROMANS...ALL OF CHAPTER ONE

AS A WORKER IN THE MEDIA...
POPULAR RADIO ANNOUNCER,
SOME ASK ME WHY, I EXPRESS MY
DISPLEASURE SO STRONG
I HAVE A BIG JOB DOWN AT THE RIVER ROAD
IF I DONT EASE OFF THINGS COULD EXPLODE
LISTEN CAREFULLY RONNIE
BARBADOS HAS A STRONG AND POWERFUL GAY LOBBY.
BUT I SAY RIGHT IS RIGHT AND WRONG IS WRONG
THAT'S WHY I SING WHAT I SING IN MY CALYPSO SONG
I AINT FRIGHTEN FOR POLITICIAN OR CHAIRMEN OF THE BOARD
I HAVE A DUTY TO JESUS CHRIST,
TO SAY WHAT IS TRUE-NOT WHAT THEY LIKE
TO DO OTHERWISE...I SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD!


More verses but muh han tired biggrin.gif

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Posted 19 August 2004 - 04:59 PM

QUOTE (Bendedknees @ Aug 18 2004, 02:46 PM)
Sugar you request is our command biggrin.gif


BK, yuh toooo sweet biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Man, these are some hard-hitting lyrics. Mr. Clarke don' mince words.

I find the whole idea of Christians being invloved in Crop Over to be very interesting...very provocative. I'm still considering the pros and cons of it, so I don't really have a position yet...but it will be interesting to follow the trend over the years to come.
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Posted 19 August 2004 - 09:22 PM

Well I for one think that this song clearly demonstrates that Ronnie Clark is more bigot than christian unless being chisrtian is about being intolerant, inflammatory, insulting,hypocritical, ignorant and homophobic.

I will agree that the song is catchy and that he is quite good with his oratorical skills but just like Beenie man, Bounty killa, Buju banton and a growing list of homophobic entertainers, are being made to feel the economic pinch for their homophobic lyrics and incitements I look forward to the day when people like Ronnie Clarke in Barbados are sanctioned fro their intolerance.

Everyone has a right to their opinion but words and lyrics have the potential to cause victimisation, and in some cases injury and death ( check Jamaica) and people like Ronnie Clarke should know better. After all his parents died off AIDS( he admits this in the same song)!

Perhaps he can enlighten us of his experience of the rumours,innuendos and victimisation they might have suffered and whether he thinks they were treated in a christian way!

I look forward to hearing pokey-theology next year!

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Posted 19 August 2004 - 09:45 PM

i need to invest in a scanner rolleyes.gif Ronnie song real long!
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