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We have discussed this subject ad nauseum and I know people from the older generation seem to think that this is nothing new. Well let's keep our heads in the sand shall we? My horror is that the parents have refused to corporate :o

SEX SHOCK

Published on: 1/19/07.

by ROY R. MORRIS

WE HAVE FALLEN DOWN on this one!

That is how chairman of the Child Care Board, David "Joey" Harper has described the response of his agency to an apparently widely circulated video of a child in school uniform performing oral sex on a male.

When the WEEKEND NATION obtained a copy of the cellphone video earlier this week and contacted Harper on it, he confirmed his agency had been made aware, had obtained a copy, and had shared it with police, but had failed to obtain the support of the child's parents in pursuing the matter.

After a more thorough check yesterday, and the declaration by Commissioner of Police Darwin Dottin that he would find it hard to believe that any department of the force would be in possession of such a video and his office not be aware, Harper explained that it now looked like contact with the police "had been informal".

Face visible

In the video, the child, wearing the uniform of the junior section of the school in St Michael, with a ribbon in her hair and a knapsack on her back, looks up at the camera during the episode and her face is clearly visible.

Just hours after receiving the video from a minibus driver who reported it was just one of several being circulated, the newspaper forwarded it to Chief Education Officer Wendy Griffith-Watson. After preliminary investigations, she revealed that the chairman of the board of management of the school confirmed they were aware of the case and that the Child Care Board had been informed.

"We have been assured that the guidance counsellor at the school will be giving our officer a report and the name of the parents and the process will definitely start," Harper said last night.

Distraught parent

He confirmed, however, that he was first shown a copy of the video more than five weeks ago by a very distraught parent, who told him she had also shared it with a police officer, and that the parents had insisted they would "take care" of the child themselves.

Harper said while he could not offer conclusive evidence, there were reports that a stabbing incident involving a school child from a West Coast secondary school last year centred around a similar episode, as was a more recent violent public confrontation between two St Michael school children in uniform, one of whom was apparently caught on a cellphone in a sex act.

During the course of this week THE NATION was shown two other cellphone videos of girls, who appeared to be underage, also having oral sex with men.

"Barbadians seem not to understand the extent of this problem," Harper said. "Recently I spoke at a secondary school and made reference to the latest buzzword in the school, "headmistress", and pointed out that I knew that it had nothing to do with teaching and everybody sniggered, because they knew what I was taking about. We have a real problem on our hands."

Yesterday evening Commissioner Dottin sent an officer from the Juvenile Laison Scheme to THE NATION to view and obtain a copy of the video, promising a thorough investigation and appropriate action.

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I have never seen any of these videos, so I need some clarification. Are these girls having oral sex with grown men or schoolboys? My reason for asking is that IMO the two would have to be handled differently. If they are both underage, whom will the police prosecute? If it is indeed an adult then why haven't the police simply requested that parents have the child identify the adult and have him charged? My suspicions are that they are both underage and the local constabulary was therefore stymied. Which might also explain the parents’ reaction.

In any event, it really isn’t anything new and with all that children are being exposed to, e.g. the wide variety of “information” available on the internet, I think outside of seriously educating our children (girls and boys) about what they are exposing themselves to, there is little recourse. Was there ever a time though when young boys didn't pursue young girls? In days of old, maybe it was for a secret kiss or held hand, which was the "no no" then, now as with all other things it has evolved into a new "no no".

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I have never seen any of these videos, so I need some clarification. Are these girls having oral sex with grown men or schoolboys? My reason for asking is that IMO the two would have to be handled differently. If they are both underage, whom will the police prosecute? If it is indeed an adult then why haven't the police simply requested that parents have the child identify the adult and have him charged? My suspicions are that they are both underage and the local constabulary was therefore stymied. Which might also explain the parents’ reaction.

In any event, it really isn’t anything new and with all that children are being exposed to, e.g. the wide variety of “information” available on the internet, I think outside of seriously educating our children (girls and boys) about what they are exposing themselves to, there is little recourse. Was there ever a time though when young boys didn't pursue young girls? In days of old, maybe it was for a secret kiss or held hand, which was the "no no" then, now as with all other things it has evolved into a new "no no".

One of the factors which we seem to overlook in this analysis is the factor of co-education. In days of old the interaction between boys and girls at this sensitive stage of their sexual development was drastically reduced as compared to the present. The question which maintains is, is co-education a component of this problem and if so how do we manage it? Do we reverse the trend of co-education and revert to single sex schools? My hypothesis is that with the advent of the information age, co-education exacerbates the problem by providing that physical contact necessary for students to run themselves into trouble. That is not to say that co-education is responsible for this problem or that to reverse will be the sole cure, but I believe it would be part of the healing process.

Having been a product of the co-education format of knowledge delivery, I can personally attest to the fact that the opposite sex seems to be a ubiquitous distraction. As I was always a very attractive fellow, so I was guaranteed to have kept a fews eyes off the chalk boards. :D I believe it is time to revisit this experiment and to back test the results to see if in fact the decision has redounded to our benefit as a society.

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I have never seen any of these videos, so I need some clarification. Are these girls having oral sex with grown men or schoolboys? My reason for asking is that IMO the two would have to be handled differently. If they are both underage, whom will the police prosecute? If it is indeed an adult then why haven't the police simply requested that parents have the child identify the adult and have him charged? My suspicions are that they are both underage and the local constabulary was therefore stymied. Which might also explain the parents' reaction.

In any event, it really isn't anything new and with all that children are being exposed to, e.g. the wide variety of "information" available on the internet, I think outside of seriously educating our children (girls and boys) about what they are exposing themselves to, there is little recourse. Was there ever a time though when young boys didn't pursue young girls? In days of old, maybe it was for a secret kiss or held hand, which was the "no no" then, now as with all other things it has evolved into a new "no no".

I disagree if the boy has reached the age of criminal responsibility he has to be charged with a sexual offence. Given that a girl in the Junior section is unable to give consent then he should be charged

To do nothing is to condone the practice, lucky that these people are not in the UK the having of the video would be enough for a life long signing of the sex offenders register!!!

As for the handling of it so far, as usual half arsed Bajan officialdom all in the job tittle incompetence!!!

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I disagree if the boy has reached the age of criminal responsibility he has to be charged with a sexual offence. Given that a girl in the Junior section is unable to give consent then he should be charged

To do nothing is to condone the practice, lucky that these people are not in the UK the having of the video would be enough for a life long signing of the sex offenders register!!!

As for the handling of it so far, as usual half arsed Bajan officialdom all in the job tittle incompetence!!!

What I abhor about the Barbadian legal system is that criminal proceedings against statutory rape and exploitation of minors can be stifled by the unwillingness of the parents to continue the proceedings. If the crime has been committed, it is the state's responsibility to proceed with the execution of its duties, that is to prosecute the offender.

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We have discussed this subject ad nauseum and I know people from the older generation seem to think that this is nothing new. Well let's keep our heads in the sand shall we? My horror is that the parents have refused to corporate :o

Underage sex may not be new, but underage PORNOGRAPHY???!!

Kem, how would you explain that the single-sex schools in Barbados are the ones where the girls are often referred to as 'rats'.

And the theory there is that because they don't interract with boys on a casual basis in the classroom etc., then they overreact when they get together with them outside the school gate and on the minibus etc.

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What I abhor about the Barbadian legal system is that criminal proceedings against statutory rape and exploitation of minors can be stifled by the unwillingness of the parents to continue the proceedings. If the crime has been committed, it is the state's responsibility to proceed with the execution of its duties, that is to prosecute the offender.

The problem is that all of the agencies involved preguess. The police are responsible for the investigation. The courts the prosecution. However, the police preguess that they are not going to get anywhere because of parental interruption, however, they have clear evidence of the crime, which would I am sure be admisable, so tey should pass the matter on for prosecution having done a full and thorough investigation. Then you get others around it in CP etc that say oh well, but, you see. Let the responsible persons do their jobs, and test if this can be done by letting it run its course, not giving up at the first problem

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Underage sex may not be new, but underage PORNOGRAPHY???!!

Kem, how would you explain that the single-sex schools in Barbados are the ones where the girls are often referred to as 'rats'.

And the theory there is that because they don't interract with boys on a casual basis in the classroom etc., then they overreact when they get together with them outside the school gate and on the minibus etc.

s3

From your previous post not in this thread, I take you to be one of the older generation, thus I will assume that you are a product of single sex education. Then I will ask you this question and would think that you would be able to answer as you would be qualified by experience to do so. Has being a product of single sex education in any impede your relationship with the opposite sex?

If in fact my underlying assumption vis-a-vis your age bracket proves to be inaccurate, I will ask that other members of the forum who are within that said bracket to answer the question.

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Underage sex may not be new, but underage PORNOGRAPHY???!!

s3

well i did take pics - during my 1st forays into sexual exploration when i was a teenager - under the legal age of 16, does that make me a pornographer too? Did I share them with my friends ... ? Of course I did - as I thought it was smart at the time - loking back I did a lot of immature and silly things - you know what that's called growing up - luckily no-one was too traumatised by the events - that I know about!

Kids will experiment and will try all kinds of things down to peer pressure - and it's amazing how roles reverse later on in life - because when i was a teenager there were all plenty of young girls - same age or a lil bit younger that would perform all manner of sexual acts - for us boys who were in the 'popular' cliques - from all walks of Bajan society ..... and yes i remember one such event down on Accra beach where a couple of sisters performed oral sex on about 5 or 6 of us - and it was filmed by a video camera by one of the boys .... was it right - of course not - but it goes on and will always go on because it's part of growing up ...

If i had a daughter would I want her to engage in such things - of course not! - maybe that's why i have no daughters!

But ultimately if I was told of the possible repercussions of my actions when I was growing up with harsh and real evidence presented to me - then maybe I wouldn't have done all the things I did - and I think that is the key to it all - education - as a youngster sex was a commodity to me - ie i could get it when i wanted and from whoever i chose - it was never what i know it to be now a wonderful experience that is best shared amongst a loving couple .... if I had an inkling of the joys of sex between 2 people in a committed relationship - maybe i'd have gone that route earlier ... sexual education is without a doubt a fundamental part of our children's education - whether it is done at school or not is inconsequential - real sex education should be delivered by the family and if that is not easily accessible - sexual education counsellor need to set up workshops with our kids ...

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Kem, how would you explain that the single-sex schools in Barbados are the ones where the girls are often referred to as 'rats'.

And the theory there is that because they don't interract with boys on a casual basis in the classroom etc., then they overreact when they get together with them outside the school gate and on the minibus etc.

s3

I went to a single sex school (it became co-ed after I was in 3rd form) - and at no point were girls referred to as RATS - far from it they were worshipped from a far and if u were lucky worshipped at close quarters, some girls scholls had better/worse reputations than others in terms of scoring - and of course in certain schools - certain girls had better/worse reputations than others in terms of being 'easy' .... but that has nothing to do with single sex schools - one of the most infamous girls of my generation went to a co-ed school.

As to girls that don't interact on a regular basis - i would ask you to please provide some form of evidence on this - as again I go back to my days - and the minibusmen 'girls' that we knew went to co-ed schools - nowadays based upon my only visual evidence the uniforms worn by the girls who i see in the company of the ZR vanmen - are again from co-ed schools.

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I disagree if the boy has reached the age of criminal responsibility he has to be charged with a sexual offence. Given that a girl in the Junior section is unable to give consent then he should be charged

To do nothing is to condone the practice, lucky that these people are not in the UK the having of the video would be enough for a life long signing of the sex offenders register!!!

As for the handling of it so far, as usual half arsed Bajan officialdom all in the job tittle incompetence!!!

I agree. In Canada everyone in possession of the video would be charged with the possession and/or distribution of child pornography. Even the children who filmed and passed it around. Welcome to first world Barbados!

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I have never seen any of these videos, so I need some clarification. Are these girls having oral sex with grown men or schoolboys? My reason for asking is that IMO the two would have to be handled differently. If they are both underage, whom will the police prosecute? If it is indeed an adult then why haven't the police simply requested that parents have the child identify the adult and have him charged? My suspicions are that they are both underage and the local constabulary was therefore stymied. Which might also explain the parents’ reaction.

In any event, it really isn’t anything new and with all that children are being exposed to, e.g. the wide variety of “information” available on the internet, I think outside of seriously educating our children (girls and boys) about what they are exposing themselves to, there is little recourse. Was there ever a time though when young boys didn't pursue young girls? In days of old, maybe it was for a secret kiss or held hand, which was the "no no" then, now as with all other things it has evolved into a new "no no".

I disagree if the boy has reached the age of criminal responsibility he has to be charged with a sexual offence. Given that a girl in the Junior section is unable to give consent then he should be charged

I see you still have those blinders on. :)

Btw, why do these conversations always make the boys out to be sex offenders and the girls innocent maidens who know not what they do?? To be frank, I find your attitude hypocritical. You know nothing of the age of the boy involved but you want to prosecute him and exonerate her. Yet you want to claim to be a champion for the rights of the child.

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I see you still have those blinders on. :)

Btw, why do these conversations always make the boys out to be sex offenders and the girls innocent maidens who know not what they do?? To be frank, I find your attitude hypocritical. You know nothing of the age of the boy involved but you want to prosecute him and exonerate her. Yet you want to claim to be a champion for the rights of the child.

Funny enough Atlas, I am almost sure the boy, underage or not, would be charged with statutory rape. I think that is what happens.

Frankly the whole thing is disgusting and scary at the same time - this thing is totally out of control.

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The persojn distributing the video is most at fault here. Most of us adults experimented with sex during our tenage years which some of us may have evidence such as photos, videos or even a panty :P but the distribution of these things downgrade youthful indiscretions into pornography. If it can be proven that and adult was involved or that the girl performed against her will then someone needs to be charged. And someone needs to be charged whether adult of underage for the distribution of the video!

we have to allow our children to be children while at the smae time educating them about sex ina serious way!!

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It is not only in schools!

There is a local porn with a woman claimed to be a porey springs having sex with a man pun the block with about 10 other men watching and cheering on. And this is making the rounds on the internet AND on the cell phones along with the school children.

My thing is if adults have such a lax attitude about sex, and they see things like this what is up to them to think they cant do it too (in all their immaturity/lack of common sense that some may have).

And Atlas, unless a girl is raped she has agreed to have sex, in some situations it will be the boy that takes the fall, but in most it is the girl that will be branded for life.

I am soo disappointed in our society, technology is ruining the world.

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ome situations it will be the boy that takes the fall, but in most it is the girl that will be branded for life.

I am soo disappointed in our society, technology is ruining the world.

why blame technology ....

surely even you can see the benefits of technology - as i believe you must have used some technology in typing your response ...

the abuse of technology is a different subject - however.

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I see you still have those blinders on. :)

Btw, why do these conversations always make the boys out to be sex offenders and the girls innocent maidens who know not what they do?? To be frank, I find your attitude hypocritical. You know nothing of the age of the boy involved but you want to prosecute him and exonerate her. Yet you want to claim to be a champion for the rights of the child.

Aaaah because in this case he is! If you cant see why, then whatever was spent on your education was a waste :D

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why blame technology ....

surely even you can see the benefits of technology - as i believe you must have used some technology in typing your response ...

the abuse of technology is a different subject - however.

Q

yeeeeeess well said. thats how i should have put it. thanx

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Aaaah because in this case he is! If you cant see why, then whatever was spent on your education was a waste :D

Skippah, take the knot out yah panties then try opening that closed mind and re-read the post before your next comment.

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Skippah, take the knot out yah panties then try opening that closed mind and re-read the post before your next comment.

Have done, maybe I got thick in my old age, but cant see your point! :D

Let me put it this way, your putting your new car in the garage and scrape the wing, is it the cars fault, the garages fault or the drivers fault ?????

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Have done, maybe I got thick in my old age, but cant see your point! :D

Let me put it this way, your putting your new car in the garage and scrape the wing, is it the cars fault, the garages fault or the drivers fault ?????

As is the case with most analogies, yours is seriously flawed. I fail to see how the things are even remotely analogous. Are females of the species inanimate unthinking objects, while the males by comparison possess the knowledge cosmic?? Wake up! This is 2007 and while you obviously abhor the concept: Females think!

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As is the case with most analogies, yours is seriously flawed. I fail to see how the things are even remotely analogous. Are females of the species inanimate unthinking objects, while the males by comparison possess the knowledge cosmic?? Wake up! This is 2007 and while you obviously abhor the concept: Females think!

I agree, and in cases where both the boy and the girl are minors both should bare the responsibility. Much too often we set about to vilify our young men unjustly. I think this is the point Atlas was attempting to make and as I said I agree with him.

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As is the case with most analogies, yours is seriously flawed. I fail to see how the things are even remotely analogous. Are females of the species inanimate unthinking objects, while the males by comparison possess the knowledge cosmic?? Wake up! This is 2007 and while you obviously abhor the concept: Females think!

Hey ive spent the last 20 years with a thinking female and have thinking female daughter all of whom are far smarter than I.

OK let me put it this way, there are harmless objects and harmful object, when it comes to rape and sexual assault involving penetration in the MAJORITY by a vast amount a PENIS is required, 2 girls would find the act of rape near impossible statutory or other wise, 2 boys on the other hand are more than capable of buggering one another, they are therefore the harmful objects by definition. Even if the girl had begged for it, it would still be statutory rape THAT IS THE LAW, now if the boy had kept it in his trousers no problem, he didnt therefore he is at fault. To blame the girl is to blame the shop keeper when he is robbed for keeping his til in open sight. If the girl had asked the boy to steal her a mobile phone and he had, who would be prosecuted he commissions the crime, she is unable to give consent, he is criminally responsible, Christ thank god you aint coppers. That is not to say she is blameless, BUT, its not about morals its about the law and society and responsibility. I heard so often over the year, but she was asking for it, she led me on as being some great mitigation, its the COCK that does the crowing my friend.

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Is it possible then for a woman to rape a man??? What if the gril was 16 and the boy was 12? Are there not grey areas in life?

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Is it possible then for a woman to rape a man??? What if the gril was 16 and the boy was 12? Are there not grey areas in life?

Of course there are and in UK law it is now possible for a man to be raped by a female not sure about Bim. However, we dont deal in grey areas we deal in real life crimes, the one in question is fairly easy to differentiate.

What if the guy was drugged and had been given an overdose of viagra, what if there was a gun out of sight and he was being forced, what if he had been taken over by evil spirits !!! Then all of this comes to the attention of those that decide the fate and guilt of those that commit crime, it is not a question for anyone other than that really.

Is the rape of a minor a crime? Yes. Job done

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